YouTube Music service native integration
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While your list of natively supported music services continues to impress, I find it difficult to believe that YouTube Music has not made the list. There are other threads that mention Chromecast (which I currently use over digital coax to Chrome Audio on NAD M10 v2) but I'm much more interested in having a clean integrated solution.
Support, please provide us a clear direct answer as to why this feature is lacking for one of the most popular services out there. I challenge YouTube with the same question. I'm not looking for finger pointing but just want to emphasize that your current customers, potential customers as well and Youtube and Bluesound would really benefit.
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Well done Rob.
Actually maybe some clarification of roadmaps would be useful from Bluesound.
My opinion is that features like YTM integration or others like full-Alexa integration are more useful (i.e. impacting a larger audience) than others like having Radio Paradise or Roon that have much more narrow audience... Maybe Roon has sponsored with $$ to have their integration to be implemented...
I opened a feature request 2 years ago about Alexa and got nothing on that, so i guess it will be the same for YTM or if lucky a general promise..
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I imagine that my comment below will be annoying for Bluesound. But Bluesound's inactivity in YoutubeMusic matters is annoying for the customers, too. I am repeating the question to Bluesound; Are there plans to integrate YoutubeMusic into Bluesound today? Now is 1 year after the last comment.
YoutubeMusic Premium is high resolution music quality, gives access to a bigger music collection than Spotify, removes ads from Youtube in general and has a decent price offer with the family access account. There are millions users out there.No user has two different music accounts. I have YoutubePremium and Bluesound. Why is it so difficult to integrate? Are there technical reasons or commercial reasons why Bluesound is not complying in this matter?
Please, Bluesound support, answer the questions to your positive-minded followers. But please don't repeat "stupid" workarounds.
Thank you. I am looking forward to hearing the news, here from Bluesound.
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Hello Marko!
Let's state the obvious.. Bluesound simply doesn't care enough about the customers with YTM premium to implement it. This is clear when you see the response (that is multiple years old already) trying to simply stall and drag this crap out forever.
They could implement a wrapper around the Innertube API to avoid the memory costly binary they refer to (Chromecast) but simply don't want to.
But.. Don't worry! In the future BluOS will just be another dead piece of trash software that was left behind while others continue on. I've sold all my Bluesound units and moved on to MUCH greener pastures, better DACs and awesome software support/features.
I am super happy Bluesound made me sell the units now as I finally found other components that are generally speaking cheaper and much better both in audio quality and software features/support.
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I use Youtube Music almost every day in my office (volumio3). In the Living room however I use NAD / BluOs and I am looking to change that to Node N0130 because I am building active speakers currently. But I wonder if this makes sense without YT. What is your commitment regarding implementation? When I read all this it seems to me like there is no serious plan to integrate it?
Best
Andreas
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When I bought my Powernode, I dreamed about BlueSound equipment in every room. I’m so happy I did not wast more money on this. If BlueSound thinks YTM is below there quality standards, then please say so.
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Hi!
Just following up here to see if you have youtube music on the schedule?
When can we see some native integration similar to Spotify or Tidal connect?1 -
I have contacted YouTube and it looks like, that they will not deliver an official YTM interface.
So instead of waiting for a never delivered interface its time now for Bluesound to go for an other solution, like other have done since years...I do not know any other company which is ignoring customer request like bluesound does.... Not supporting one of the biggest streaming plattforms is an absolutely no go out of my perspective
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Bravo, Bernd! You can actually get it for $20 on Amazon. BlueSound was ahead of the industry but lost all the strategic advantage delivering zero innovation in the last few years allowing competitors to catch-up and move ahead. I’m surprised how many dedicated customers are still messaging here. Not working with that audience is a product disaster. I personally ended up buying Mac mini and VNC into it. It got future proof hardware and no limitation of what services I can run. There are still a lot of opportunities here that can make you successful if this attitude is left behind.
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I agree with everyone here saying that Bluesound needs to listen and find a solution to integrate YTM. I thought BluOS would be a good occasion and I was disappointed again.
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There is no IF. Sell it.
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I'm currently in the process of purchasing my first Class D all-in-one amp, and I have my eyes on the NAD M33, M10 V2, and C399. Thus, i am doing a lot of research which bring me to here.
One concern I have is that BluOS doesn't support YTM, which happens to be my primary music streaming provider. This has left me feeling somewhat hesitant.
I was wondering if any of you could suggest alternative options that have HDMI eARC capability? It would be great to explore other possibilities before making my final decision.
Thank you in advance. I greatly appreciate your help.
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Ash - this is brand new and has HDMi eArc and Chromecast but not YTM however you can use Chromecast to cast YTM.
https://darko.audio/2023/12/wiim-amp-video-review/
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@Ash-Cheng:
For eARC, Volumio Integro is a good product and Volumio3 supports YTM nicely through an Innertube API integration. The best streamer 2023 is the Eversolo DMP A-6 but I do not think it has eARC (even though it has HDMI) since it's an audio only device.. Eversolo runs on Android so you can install Android apps (YTM).1 -
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Glad I found this thread before making an investment.
Searching between different options and am a heavy YTM user.
Will unfortunately have to go back to considering Sonos as I can't be bothered maintaining a more manual setup.
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thats hardly native.
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Hello Tony and thanks for commenting.
Yes, this is exactly our concern, that when requested for an updated status we are pointed to 1-2+ year old threads and still we are not wiser to if/when anything will happen, even though you've kept having great conversations with both Alphabet, Google and others on the subject over these years.
I fear this disastrous time to market launching music services has already left BluOS out of many homes, and will do so even more. Would be fun to see the YTM BC internally at Bluesound.
This is how its solved on Volumio 3 if are interested:
Kind regards,
Andy
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Hello Tony W.
Why don't you simply implement Youtube "InnterTube API" like other streamers have done with huge success (see example for Volumio3 above). This would allow you YTM support for all BluOS devices with a small memory footprint.
Please discuss it with Alphabet, YouTube and all the others you keep having great talks with for several years with zero progression. . . .
Sold all my Bluesound/NAD BluOS devices today on the used market. Customer un-friendly support and no roadmap for required features.
Description
InnerTube is an API used by all YouTube clients. It was created to simplify the deployment of new features and experiments across the platform 1. This library manages all low-level communication with InnerTube, providing a simple and efficient way to interact with YouTube programmatically. Its design aims to closely emulate an actual client, including the parsing of API responses.
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Maybe the easiest solution is add this? https://wiimhome.com/
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Hi Marko, I looked at Wiim as well. It provides you with connectivity options and YouTube music integration. However, wiim audio output has limited quality. Therefore, I went with a proper DAC to get better audio output going into my AMP. However, Wiim is still a good value option if that is what you are looking for.
Regarding Sonos, I think their integration architecture with the streaming services differs from Bluesound. Bluesound uses Tidal Connect or similar integrations where the node streams music directly from the media streaming service. This architecture does not have centralized cloud service proxying media. The cloud service is not cheap and is complex to implement. Sonos has the business scale to implement cloud and provide a cloud service that can integrate YouTube music service as well as others and standardize stream that comes from Sonos cloud to its speakers. The catch is that the stream quality is low compared to the Tidal Connect HiFi subscription. So if you are an audiophile looking for control and better quality, you will use the Bluesound approach, not Sonos.
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Also to add this again as it seems it was missed, for anyone looking for a wrapper for Inntertube API there is a maintained package to be found here: h t t p s://github.com/LuanRT/YouTube.js
This is the wrapper Volumio has used to build support for their units running Volumio3.
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Thank you, Andy. I am "somehow" stuck with Bluesound. But maybe one of the bluesound gurus (in the tech or in the marketing department) will read your lines and start the work. I start to suppose that they have some commercial issues with YouTube. Who knows. But open and transparent information would be appreciated.
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I'm really disappointed that YTM is not supported. I'm stuck with keeping my spotify account active just for the wonderful integration with BluOS, but I would definitely not get another BluOS product until this issue is resolved. I understand that there are hardware implications but as others have already pointed out - other vendors have successfully integrated it and as an end user to me this looks more like a lack of will than anything else.
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Tony: BluOS could implement the APIs, which doesn't require tons of memory (obviously) but refuse to do it. This is how many of the competitors did it, implementing the APIs. I have provided examples. Nobody cares.
From the consumer perspective it seems BluOS simply does not want to support YTM or listen to their community (BlueOS 4 is a catastrophe already being delayed for ages with no information on what to expect).
Bluesound/BluOS is bound to fail with a product management performing this poorly, or wait.. did it already fail?
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Yes, and that means what exactly? I decided to stick to my Raspi / Volumio setup. In addition to offering a Youtube Music Plugin it is not tampering sound quality with software volume adjustment. I am not that kind of Apple like customer you obviously like to have.
Best
Andreas
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When reading through this thread and in the official comment, BluOS has offered Bluetooth and Apple AirPlay as two great options for Music Services that have been unwilling to work with deep integration.
A 100$ radio offers Bluetoth support. So there is no need for a BlueOS solution to connect my mobile with BlueOS.
Customers expect to have the possibility to get one of the biggest streaming services integrated. And your answer is that YTM is unwilling to work with deep integration. As a first step we would be happy to have a YTM integration if it is deep or not.
So please change your perspective and concentrate on what your customers expect (they pay our salery) and find solutions for your customers instead of do finger pointing on YTM that they are unwilling for deep integration. Other companies like SONOS and others show that there is a way...so please take the chance to jump over your shadow and find a solution0 -
Can stream YTM through chromecast?
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I’m also rather disappointed that YTM is not supported on my Bluesound gear. How come other brands can manage this but Bluesound appearantly can’t?
I also asked YouTube why bluesound doesn’t support YTM If there is an answer and it is useful information I will post it here.
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Hurry up! Up the customer obsession. Do It!
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Just bought a Pulse Flex 2i to check things out as I wanted to move away from my frustrating Sonos system, and really glad I bought just the one to test with as no integrations to the main systems I used (YouTube Music and Global Player). Don't get me wrong, it's a great looking speaker and setup but just can't do what I wanted to do with it. Trying to get away from my TIDAL, Qobuz and Spotify subs.... looks like this will be getting returned and the hunt will continue.
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