Music Services: add Apple Music?
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Hi,
Just thought, let's drop the question again.
Does Bluesound expect (short term) to add Apple Music as a "Music Service" in the Node 2i?
NOT via Airplay2, but as a Music Service in the Node 2i.
Thanks!
Danny
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Since I've been kicked over to this thread and it has been referred to a lack of an Apple Music SDK, that is simply not true: https://developer.apple.com/musickit/
Also, Sonos has native Apple Music integration, although they are lacking HiRes for the time being. Don't tell us it is not possible. Maybe it is not possible for you. It might be that BlueOS is not compatible with any of the SDK offerings of Apple but that's where I would have expected that the 'long-standing partnership and collaboration with Apple' might have made a difference, at least with 4.0. I would hate having to jump ship but I will have to as soon as there is a hardware HiRes solution. I will not buy another BlueSound product for as long as this is sorted out.
For many of us, there is no way around Apple Music. I have a family, we use exclusively Apple devices, we need the iCloud, we like their TV+ services and I would be very hard pressed spending money on yet another service.
Bluesound crew, you should realise that being the first to offer Apple Music HiRes integration would be a game changer and a USP.0 -
Bluesound crew, you should realise that being the first to offer Apple Music HiRes integration would be a game changer
We absolutely do - why we continue to work with them. The Apple Music Kit you cite actually does not provide playback - just how to look up information.
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You continue to work with them but do they still continue to work with you ?
I don’t see neither a roadmap neither any date to deliver
What concrete progress have you done this past 2 years exactly ? And when you estimate a release ?
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Tony, MusicKit on the Web allows for content playback. Let me cite: "Apple Music content can play directly in the browser. With MusicKit on the Web, users can stream songs, music videos, and radio from Apple Music on your website using MusicKit Web Components or a player you’ve customized using JavaScript."
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@tony Maybe one thing that could be done sooner would be to display the stream information in the app when music is being Airplayed? Sample rate, bit rate, and compression method.
One of the links above suggested that lossless is only occurring with Airplay 1 which happens only from a Macbook. Yet I see Apple Music reporting "Lossless" in its playback window even from an iDevice. Rather than needing to speculate, snoop network activity, and/or do deep dives on proprietary Apple protocols, it would be nice if this information could simply be displayed from the BluOS app's own playback window (which does operate when Airplay is taking place). Thanks!
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On top, a choice between an AirPlay 1 or AiPlay 2 mode on the BluSound hardware could deliver at least lossless OTA if HiRes is not possible.
As a side note, just learned yesterday that apparently there are at least two other streamers, Eversolo DMP-A6 and FiiO R7, that can natively output Apple Music HiRes. So clearly others can do it. I would hate to waste money by selling my Bluesound gear at a loss.1 -
The Eversolo and FiiO both run Android, which I think has been discussed above - you can run Apple Music on Android.
I think at this point it's clear that if BlueSound or BluOS could run Apple Music natively, they would. Apple seems pretty clear on what they consider competitive with their own devices and what is not, and they are acting accordingly. So I'm shifting my pleading to urge BlueSound/BluOS to be the best possible Airplay 2 device, make it as seamless as possible to use Apple Music over Airplay 2, and above all, make the Airplay interaction rock-solid.
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I agree - I think we need to drop the whole "Why won't you support Apple Music ..." and start pestering Apple to allow Bluesound TO support their music streaming service. C'mom folks - don't you think BS would have done it by now if it was possible? I'm a big Apple music listener, and quite frankly I'm more frustrated with Apple over this than anybody else.
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This thread has been open for 4 years. In less than 1/4 of that time, they could’ve developed a HUB or HUB type device that ran Android, ran Apple Music, and integrated into BluOS ecosystem of products.
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The reason why I am so upset with Bluesound is that when I decided on buying my Node, of course I did my research and stumbled upon this thread, amongst others. Bluesound*s messaging was always that they are working with Apple to integrate an Apple Music API. Besides promises, nothing happened. I have shown above that MusicKit Web has a streaming function (apparently not HiRes yet). Bluesound didn't know. I rest my case.
Had Bluesound been more upfront with their customers that there is a snowflake's chance in hell that this function would come, I would have not invested. Period. My mistake was that I was an optimist trusting in software folks to deliver. I made this mistake before and I hope I will never make it again. Never buy a system that cannot yet do all you need it to do based on the software developer's promises that they will deliver. They won't 90 % of the time.3 -
My workarounds while bluesound and apple get their sh1t together:-
Powernode room one is attached to tv with an apple tv box, this gives 24/48 lossless.
Powernode room two is attached to an ifi zen dac 2 which needs a wired cable to get lossless 24/192.
To be fair although we dont get lossless via ios airplay the sound quality is decent, I suspect a lot of us would not know we were not getting lossless via airplay if it wasn't for the likes of darko keeping us updated, especially as the ios reports lossless from the music app (being converted to aac).
I would love to see a handover like spotify connect to bluesound so we are not using our phones for a constant wireless connection. This can be done as digital trends spotted on youtube, I believe also lossless. I accept the sound quality would not be up to hifi levels.
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It's time to move on, folks. Tony said it quite succinctly, 4 years ago:
"Apple's third-party integration model is AirPlay 2. They have no plans to develop an API for products such as Bluesound."
There is no chance that's changing with the current series of BlueSound devices - maybe it's something future generations of devices will incorporate, but legacy and current models, not happening.
I also don't buy the "well, I wouldn't have invested in BluOS if I'd known!" - BS have been quite clear for over 4 years that AirPlay is the only way to play Apple music on their devices - if you were too daft not to understand that, then it's your own fault. They were completely upfront about it - the only gripe we have is that BS have told us they continue to work with Apple, which is clearly not the case, so they've kept our hopes up - it doesn't take 4 years to resolve something that could be resolved, but if you bought a BluOS product then you bought it on the currently available specs, not on some nebulous "we're working on it" promise.
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Tony, rumours claim that Apple will enable an IOS device to act as an AirPlay receiver in the upcoming IOS 17.2 release now in December. Can we expect a similar feature in BluOS?
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