Dynamic Loudness control/compensation

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Ggichon

Hi,

I would very much like to be able to have an option to have a dynamic loudness control on my Node 2i,

By dynamic I mean following the principle of "Fletcher Munson" curves, so that at low volumes a "large" compensation would be applied to Bass and Highs and as the volume is increased a "smaller" compensation would be applied

Would be great (for me)

 

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    Wesley P.

    Hello "Ggichon" and Sebastian,

    Thank you for providing your feedback! I will bring your request to the attention of our Quality Assurance team to see if there is any way we can implement this feature in a future update.

    Regards,
    Wesley P.

  • Sebastian Bolle
    several products could use this feature. Share your opinion about 100%!
     
     
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  • Tony W.
    Product Support Manager

    HI Sebastian

    Check out https://support1.bluesound.com/hc/en-us/articles/201232676

     

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  • Ggichon

    Thanks Tony, but your answer is referring to volume equalization, which makes sure all tracks sound at the same volume level.
    We are referring to loudness compensation. It a different thing. It is a compensation to bass and treble with varying intensity based on the volume setting. Please google Fletcher-Munson concept.
    Thanks.

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  • Tony W.
    Product Support Manager

    I am aware - just providing alternatives for you...

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  • Ggichon

    Well, thanks but obviously it’s not an alternative. It’s just something else

    Hope to see loudness compensation in the future 🙂.

    If you already mention the audio controls of the Node, can you explain why the sound changes (to be more muffled) one the audio controls is turned on even if none of the settings (bass, treble, auto gain) are changed from the default?

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  • Manfred

    Unfortunately, the Audio / tone controls strongly impact the sound quality on BlueSound devices.

    For best results, it is highly recommendable to leave those modifiers OFF.

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  • Tony W.
    Product Support Manager

    Hi Manfred

     

    It is not an impact in sound quality, it is a volume drop of 6db as described here; https://support1.bluesound.com/hc/en-us/articles/204636618

     

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  • Hans

    +1

    I also experience a difference in sound when tone controls are enabled. When the tone controls are not enabled, the sound is much more 'bright', when tone controls are enabled, the sound is much more 'muffled'. Turning the volume up does not compensate, so I too think something happens with the sound quality when tone controls are enabled.

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  • Thomas Juul

    Loudness is really an essential feature for those of us that listen at low volume often. I would really appreciate it being implemented. 

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  • Ville-Pekka Seppä

    I would also appreciate loudness compensation. That's something that's been around since day 1 in analog stereo amps.

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  • Bob
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    I just got my first BlueSound product, a POWERNODE 2i (with HDMI), and I was very surprised to see that loudness compensation is not built-in. I hope you can add it soon since the problem was well understood decades ago and there should be DSP functions available for it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour).

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  • Gordon Delgado
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    I just got my first BlueSound product and I was very surprised to see that loudness compensation is not built in. I hope you can add it soon since the problem was well understood decades ago and there should be DSP functions available for it.

    Um, shouldn't you be doing this in your pre-amp?

    Otherwise you would have to adjust volume on the pre-amp, and "loudness" from another app - at the same time.

    I lament the lack of suitable tone controls in most pre- and integrated-amplifiers (except a few notable brands) because of "audiophile nazism". However if you listen to music at different volume levels, having a loudness compensation feature in your pre-amp should be a no-brainer.

    My best suggestion is to buy an equalizer with a defeat switch, and plug it between your Node 2i and your input of your pre-amp. If your pre-amp has a tape monitor loop (very few do anymore), you can put the equalizer there.

    The Schiit Loki is an inexpensive but highly reviewed example of such a unit.

    Yes, ideally it would be done in the digital domain, but there's no reason you can't do it in analogue...

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  • Bob

    I should have said in my original comment that I was using a POWERNODE 2i in a constrained space so there's no pre-amp needed. I just added that.

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  • JG.B.

    Hi all,

    Absolutely agree a dynamic Loudness feature would be a great improvement (that said if I'm not mistaken Loudness exists on Sonos but is not dynamically set, it is a switch to turn on or off).

    As mentioned on other posts, more/better EQ options would be highly (highly) appreciated by the vast majority of Bluesound users who have selected Bluesound gears for the Hi-fi/Better than Sonos approach.

    Hoping it should be doable at a relatively limited cost and will be considered at some point

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  • James Bell

    Would it be possible to add this feature?  I'm installing 8 zones of audio to my home and hoped to use Bluesound streamers, dynamic Loudness is a must though.

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  • Nicolò Amatobene

    Speriamo implementino la loudness compensation e un equalizzatore con più modulazione al piu presto per il resto funziona tutto egregiamente

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