USB Flash Capacity with Node2

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    Hi Fleermail

    There is something on the USB Stick. Please make sure the stick you bought does not have a manufacturer partition on it with there system tools as this can throw off reading the permissions.

    That being said, you also might want to review this Help Centre Article regarding how BluOS Handles USB versus NAS devices. If your network router has a USB port, you may be happier performance wise to plug the stick into your router and share it that way; https://support1.bluesound.com/hc/en-us/articles/201158077

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    Fleermail

    Update, I was able to read about 30GB worth of files but somewhere between 30GB and 66GB total file size it fails. I reformatted the flash drive to NTFS and it still fails with files totaling over 30GB. When I insert the flash drive, the front light stays white with what appears to be a red indicator. I know that the hardware is USB 2.0 but I thought with the flash drive being backward compatible to USB 2.0, I would be OK. I can go get a USB 2.0 flash drive, but would like to be sure that it will work before I spend the money. Comments and guidance please!

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    Fleermail

    Hi Tony,

    Thanks for the reply. It's been a while and I hope you are doing well.

    As for the USB Stick, there is nothing else on the drive other than FLAC and AIFF files, as I formatted the drive. The behavior was the same both before and after formatting.

    Reading the article you referred me to makes me believe that the issue is with the Bluesound unit and not the USB Stick, since it states that USB use can be "unstable" or unreliable and is meant to be temporary, not permanent.   It sounds like there is a problem with indexing the files, which would explain why all of a sudden the USB stick can't be read. This is a disappointment. I had wanted to eliminate all variables of physical NAS drives, networking, etc. I have a separate stand alone USB hard drive backup unit that I will try out just to see what behavior I get, but if it fails as well, I'll abandon the effort. Your idea of using the USB port on my NAS is an interesting one that I might give a try.

    One additional question that I have, is there a proper way to eject the USB stick from the USB port on the Node 2? I don't see anywhere in the user interface to do that. 

    Thanks,

    John

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    Tony W. - Product Support Manager

    Hi John

    The instability I am referencing (as author of the article) is USB drives tend to fail more often as they are portable and get jostled, not that they cannot be read or handled by BluOS.

    Bluesound Players are designed to auto recover when the USB drive is removed, there is no eject required.

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    Fleermail

    Hi Tony,

     

    Thanks for the info. I didn't mean to misinterpret the article. But it would make sense in that with 30GB of files the USB Stick can be read and but with 90GB of files it can't. Can you confirm that the Node 2 has no issues reading 90GB of audio files from a USB Stick?  Do you have any other explanation? As it sounds like files are indexed differently from the USB input it would appear that there is an issue or limitation with this many files.

    BTW, I was able to use the USB on my NAS without any issues. But then, this method uses the library and associated indexing. Thanks for that suggestion.

     

    John

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  • We have had consumers plug in TB drives without issue.

    Out of curiosity, what is the objection to the Local Library/Indexing method? BluOS is actually designed for this to be the preferred/intuitive solution so would like to know why this is not the method for you.

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    Fleermail

    Hi Tony,

    OK. Fair enough on external TB drives, but I'm talking about a flash drive. That is the problem I'm having.

    As for why, I have listened to files from my NAS vs flash drive and it just sounds better to me with the flash drive. I have a 2 year old Synology NAS, RAID 1, using a GB switch with ethernet connection to the Node 2. I don't know what else I can do to optimize the connection and network. I've seen products that cache files or use SSD locally instead of the old steaming files from a NAS method. Of course, these products are very expensive, whereas the NODE 2 is not, even with the additional cost of the NAS. As a former IT guy, all of these new products make sense to me to optimize playback. There's a lot that goes on between pulling the files off the NAS to where it ends up at the NODE 2. But I'm not interested in spending the time or money on the pursuit of perfect digital sound. All I know is what I hear, and  that's all that matters to me. I don't have a huge CD collection and I don't listen to music all over the house. I have one stereo and that's what I listen to. If I can save my music to the NAS for safe keeping, but play them locally on the Node 2 from a USB Stick, it works for me and sounds the best. There's no moving the UBS Stick around, etc. 

    So, the problem remains. Why can I not stream 90+ GB of files from a flash stick locally on a Node 2 when 30 GB works?

    BTW, I do like the new interface that was released recently. Really slick!

    John

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  • Hi John

    Thanks, glad you are enjoying the new App.

    As a former IT guy, all of these new products make sense to me to optimize playback. There's a lot that goes on between pulling the files off the NAS to where it ends up at the NODE 2.

    As a former IT Guy myself, I will tell you that network throughput has nothing to do with audio decoding, provided you have a network that can fill the buffer, and most do if you follow this Help Centre Article; https://support.bluos.net/hc/en-us/articles/360000220487

    In other words, 1s and 0s are 1s and 0s when they hit the decoder regardless of how they hit the decoder. 

    Now there are urban legends about jitter being increased due to problem installs but those were based older streamers (circa 2007 era) not having enough horse power to provide a proper buffer or not being able to uncompress a FLAC file timely, but all modern streamers have resolved that with more RAM and faster processors.

    Try it as designed - then tell me what your ears tell you... 

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    Fleermail

    Hi Tony,

    Thanks for the reply. I don't know if you saw in my previous comment that I am connect via ethernet, not wireless.

    I know, I know,  what you're saying about 1s and 0s. I would say the same thing myself, believe me. Plus we can debate all day long until the cows come home about the best file format, FLAC, AIFF, WAV, etc, etc. All I know is that I can tell the difference. All things the being same in the audio chain with the only difference being whether the file is delivered via a network of local USB.

    I'm not sure where else we can take this, but I do appreciate your prompt responses and you taking the time to work with me on this issue.

     

    Best,

    John

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    Tony W. - Product Support Manager

    Hi John

    Networking is networking - packet collisions are packet collisions...

    You have been escalated to the Bluesound Support Crew. They will reach out to you via e-mail and probably arrange a remote control session to help troubleshoot your USB stick and why/what is causing it to not load.

     

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    Fleermail

    Thanks Tony.

    John

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    William Kobling

    John,

    I am a Node 2 user and noticed this older question to Bluesound. I have used my Node 2 with a NAS (Western Digital MyCloud) but like you wanted to use the USB port as a backup to the NAS, when I cannot connect to my own network via the NAS. I will try a powered USB hub with first; a 1G USB flashdrive and later; with a 32G and 64G USB flashdrives on that same hub. I also plan on trying a 1TB Toshiba Canvio HDD (external hard drive) on that same HUB. Tune in later to see my results....if you want.

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  • Hi John

    Not a problem... if you are using >2GB drives, you may need an external power supply to power up the drive but other than that should be fine. If your drive does not have an external power supply, you can try a powered USB hub between the drive and Player.

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    John Simmons

    I use a USB powered 1 TB Toshiba external drive with no problem on my Node 2 for what it's worth. I prefer the sound direct from the USB drive rather than across my Google Mesh Wi-Fi network, I don't profess to know why.

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