Native !!! DSD support

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  • Official comment

    Hi Vlad

    Rather than high processing DoP, we offer a one-time conversion of DSD to PCM via FLAC. Here's how; https://support.bluos.net/hc/en-us/articles/360019447014

  • Vlad

    Hi Tony,

    Thank you for your response. First, I was not asking about DoP = DSD over PCM. I was inquiring about Native !!! DSD support. From your answer I understood nothing changed in approach of Bluesound to issue of not supporting DSD natively (since 2017). Sorry that you have lost me as customer for building multi room setup. Stay with your Sonos fan base.

    All the best,

    Vlad

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  • Hi Vlad

    Very few non-SONY brand DACs play native DSD. If you review their specs, almost all of them perform a real-time DSD to PCM conversion.

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  • gard solberg

    More and more DAC's can play native DSD. Many are converting to DSD files for their media streaming. So native DSD capabilities will be a requirement. Now when equipment and knowledge to record directly to DSD is more available, things will change rapidly. 

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  • Alex

    It's been a while since the previous posts on this topic so I thought I'd 'bump' it and see whether there is any news on the native dsd support front. As far as I can tell not even NAD devices support it. Starting to look like a bit of a gap relative to some of the new options coming out (e.g. the new Marantz 40n for example).

    Any thoughts? Is there a technical roadblock is it simply a matter of feature roadmap? Understand that being at a lower price point Bluesound devices may not support it, but what about NAD? And wouldn't it be great if both brands supported it? :) 

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  • Hi Alex

    See official comment - DSD Support is available on all BluOS Enabled products.

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  • Henning Orre

    I also would need DSD support in BluOS, but not have to convert them all to FLAC to be able to play them.

    At home I have a PC (Windows10) sending native FLAC and DSD (DSF) files to a Wyred4Sound DAC. The W4S DAC then sends the analogue signal to a NAD T787. Works like a charm.

    But I am looking into a new setup for our apartment in Spain. Support for playing DSD is a pre-req. I have no interest in converting all my DSF files into FLAC. That would be a massive waste of diskspace. 

     

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  • Alex

    Thanks Tony. I did see that article but, as others have said in this and other threads going back years, I think what is being asked for is native DSD support rather than converting to FLAC PCM and having to store two sets of files.

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  • Hi Alex

    Read up on DSD over PCM (DoP) and understand 'native DSD playback' is not exactly that. We are satisfied with our one-time conversion methodology rather than constantly converting on the fly every playback. We hope you will be too once you hear it.

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  • Steve Sanders

    I understand your position, but I think most people with .DSF files DO NOT want to convert them to FLAC for playback. It might be worth Bluesound listening to their customers.

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  • Henning Orre

    I agree with Steve. This what stops me from going with BluOS. I have about 1500 SACD ripped to DSF. That's approximatly 4TB of data and growing. It's not an option to convert them to FLAC.

     

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  • Alex

    We should probably also clarify the DSD over PCM (DoP) point. DoP is just a way of encoding DSD in a PCM structure. This is done as a way of transferring DSD via devices that can't handle DSD (but can handle PCM). When a DoP file hits a DSD capable DAC it is reconstructed into the original stream. It is not a DSD file converted to PCM, it is actually the original DSD file.

    Of course this only works if the DAC supports DoP and DSD. Powernode 2i, which I own and which I believe uses Texas Instruments PCM5242 DAC does not (I am not sure about the Node 2i and the latest Node but possibly the same?). This being the case, a one-time conversion to PCM makes sense from the point of view of processing requirements. It does result in extra storage requirements which, obviously, will vary depending on the size of one's library. Given that the DAC does not support DSD at least there is a straight forward way of converting the files and playing them.

    Coming back to the request for 'native' support, I think the request is for a DSD capable DAC. One time conversion is a workaround (and no question the sound will most of the time be close to, if not indistinguishable to the original) but it's still a workaround. 

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  • What 4

    Native DSD support has been true for years In 100€ Rpi dac's with Volumio. Why is this so difficult for Bluesound?

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